tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7171420941776673660.post734880372159033429..comments2024-03-15T15:06:49.440-07:00Comments on Legal Ruralism: Trump’s costly “Deportation Force”Lisa R. Pruitthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16469550950363542801noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7171420941776673660.post-85836307066561833752017-02-19T21:53:02.387-08:002017-02-19T21:53:02.387-08:00Here is another piece--this one PBS and well worth...Here is another piece--this one PBS and well worth watching--on the pinch facing farmers and why some (many?) were sympathetic to Trump? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/betting-on-trump-water/?utm_medium=N/A&utm_campaign=frontline_2016&linkId=34662079Lisa R. Pruitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16469550950363542801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7171420941776673660.post-27062459131551688752017-02-12T12:17:02.768-08:002017-02-12T12:17:02.768-08:00I found this to be a very interesting article. I s...I found this to be a very interesting article. I spend a lot of time thinking of framing devices, and how best to have productive conversations with people with varied political beliefs, and I think cost savings is probably one of the more effective devices. This weekend I read a really interesting article about Alabama farmworkers who "disappeared overnight" because of new immigration policies, costing the farm about 100,000 dollars. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/14/alabama-immigration-law-workers)<br /><br />One thing that particularly jumped out at me was the prioritizing of "criminals". These policies have consequences for not only those actually charged with a crime, but also for those who are merely arrested. It doesn't matter if it was a case of mistaken identity, or wrong place and wrong time, once detained they may still have their information reported to ICE. An arrest can also have an impact on someone applying for citizenship as well. So this policy supposedly targeting "criminals" is really much more broad than that.Kaly https://www.blogger.com/profile/10268476786225453811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7171420941776673660.post-48987599518851401432017-02-12T11:53:50.967-08:002017-02-12T11:53:50.967-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Kaly https://www.blogger.com/profile/10268476786225453811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7171420941776673660.post-25604137688811639372017-02-12T07:25:00.654-08:002017-02-12T07:25:00.654-08:00Here is a story about another way that Trump's...Here is a story about another way that Trump's policies are hurting farmers--this one about Trump's trade policies:<br /><br />https://www.wsj.com/articles/trade-punishment-for-trump-voters-1486686758Lisa R. Pruitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16469550950363542801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7171420941776673660.post-37150598904509005542017-02-11T16:40:48.650-08:002017-02-11T16:40:48.650-08:00Your post is very interesting and is relevant. The...Your post is very interesting and is relevant. The Huffington Post recently published an article describing the uptick in deportations by Trump (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-immigration-raids-deportation_us_589e1eb0e4b094a129eb03b0?2t8f9pbl78u22ihpvi&&). But I agree with Wynter and I am not sure that this is necessarily a rural issue. <br /><br />Furthermore, it appears that you may be missing a geographic comparison between rural and agriculturally dependent areas across America. You mention in your post that 50-70% of all farmworkers are undocumented immigrants, does this percentage change with more urban farms or farms in states closer to the border? The U.S. Department of Agriculture put together a map of the percentage of foreign-born individuals in non-metropolitan counties or metropolitan counties that are dependent on agriculture (https://www.ers.usda.gov/mediaImport/1038212/fig-05.png). This map illustrates that there is a big difference in the percentage of foreign-born individuals in rural or agriculturally dependent areas. The problems you discuss in this post appear to affect only certain agricultural or rural areas. It would be interesting to examine the working conditions of the farm worker population of the other areas with lower populations of foreign-born individuals. Do those areas grow less labor intensive crops or is the make-up of their labor force just different and if so are they paid fair wages? By no means do I agree with Trump's actions, but I think they may disproportionately affect certain farming communities especially those in California. EAGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15447922016542388901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7171420941776673660.post-77590099508531751412017-02-11T12:56:43.492-08:002017-02-11T12:56:43.492-08:00You touch on a lot of different issues here. One t...You touch on a lot of different issues here. One that I’ve been reading more about recently is the issue of Central Valley Republican farmers who voted for Trump, but also depend on an undocumented labor force. For example, this NYT article: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/us/california-farmers-backed-trump-but-now-fear-losing-field-workers.html?_r=0. <br />One farmer said he isn’t worried Trump will immediately deport many of the people who work for him. His reasoning was that Trump is a “businessman” and he must know that the farmers “had invested millions of dollars” in the food currently growing and that without the current labor force to harvest those crops, there would be “huge losses” for the state economy. Initially, I was taken aback by this thought process—why does the state’s economy matter more than the families who would be torn apart by new immigration orders? Does this mean that they should just wait until the crops are harvested and then deport these people? Is that just “putting America first”?<br />Courtneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7171420941776673660.post-88246958718322677682017-02-10T19:13:19.020-08:002017-02-10T19:13:19.020-08:00Dear RGL, I think you have identified several impo...Dear RGL, I think you have identified several important issues in this post, and I hope that the following thoughts are not construed as suggesting I support President Trump's immigration policies or consider the current immigrant experience at all acceptable. However, setting my personal political beliefs aside, it seems analytically important to separate the issues, which seem to be getting blurred in this post. Though obviously there is interplay between these issues, the concern is that by amalgamating them, we do injustice to the nuances inherent in appropriately addressing each. <br /><br />You mention that "[u]nder Trump's plans to increase deportation across the country, we will see increased labor shortages . . . [causing] the price of fruits and vegetables [to] increase by close to 6%." It seems that prices are only as low as they currently are because, as the <i> Boston Globe </i> article states: "Today's food prices are artificially low because we use underpaid, overworked, unprotected labor." So, even without Trump's "Deportation Force," we would expect prices to rise anyway (albeit at closer to the 3.7% figure), assuming farm workers of all stripes are paid appropriately. I agree that I would prefer to pay a higher price for fruit in pursuit of ameliorating working conditions, versus in pursuit of mass deportation. However, what is unclear from my perspective is how these labor policy issues fit into the separate question of whether it is appropriate (or just) to prioritize the removal of non-citizens with criminal convictions/charges. <br /><br />As a final thought: I wonder if this can even be characterized as a "rural" issue? It seems urban populations and urban industries will experience similar effects, should Trump's policies come to pass. Indeed, according to a <i>Washington Post</i> article, undocumented immigrants comprise solid percentages of the workforce in urban industries like clothing manufacturing (20%), domestic work (23%), and construction trades (34% in drywall installation, 27% in roofing, and 24% in painting). Indeed, the percentage of the unauthorized immigrant population working in the farming, fishing and forestry fields is only 4%. See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/majority-of-undocumented-immigrants-work-in-low-skill-jobs-report-finds/2015/03/26/dada9f2a-d3bc-11e4-a62f-ee745911a4ff_story.html?utm_term=.44c52d8d8dda.Wynter K Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10825975028818885821noreply@blogger.com